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Postby Bart » Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:33 am

Jades wrote: And yes, American girls are easy to get into bed if you want. It is because of liberal scum (and I mean -really- far left, mention a Bible verse and they press hate crime charges, type people when I say that) have removed the stigma of pregnancy at a young age. More girls under the age of 18 have abortions in the US of A than girls over that age. AND WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!

Quite an impressive post you made there. It also shows why a lot of people are for Bush. Me, as a guy who doesn't like the American policy, will tell you what you CAN do about it.

You can never say that you "can never do anything about something". Why do you think that the age of people having their first time is way higher over here then in the US? Over here it's regular to have your first time at 16 years and 4 months. In the world it's 17 years and 6 months (or something).
How come is it that in the US the age is way lower?
I can tell ya.
you guys make sex look as something bad
Only talking about it on tv makes the US censure it. Porn on regular tv is out of your mind. Every time they show a nipple, even when it's on a painting or a statue, it must be cencured. Getting real classes in it is strange. I had an exchange student on my school where I was friends with, who was really surprised to see that if you wanted, you can buy porn in a normal supermarket, that you can watch (soft) porn on normal tv after 10 - 11 pm. I had 3 times a class in sex. In the 6th grade, in the 7th grade and in the 9th grade. Where you can talk rather openly about it and make it as a normal discussion. I also had sex education by my parents, that you always have to use a condom and where you can use it for. That was at the age of 8 or something, at least at the time when I was still laughing at the idea of sex. At the age of 12 my mother even told me that I could have sex if I wanted, but not with just a "whore-type" I just met in a bar. That I have to look out for diseases and that the first time should be special. That both parties should want it (if not, the sex wouldn't be as good as it should be) and that you have to be thrusted with each other.

Now, I talk really open about it and thinking about my decissions on sex. Of course I knew about porn when I were 7, of course when I was in 5th grade at slumber parties we secretly watched porn with friends and talked and joked about it. Does that make us bad? NO!

That's normal, since you'll learn to think about sexual decissions you make. You'll learn that it has to be fun for both parties, that you have to use birth control once you do it, and that you can't do it with everybody. You'll think at an early age about sex, and what to do when you're really wanting to do it and when you're ready.

Sex is about love, not about being tough. And I have learned that siince I were 7...


Don't you think that if you censure everything on the tv and if you hardly talk about it makes you REALLY wonder what it's like? If something's forbidden, don't you feel the urge to really DO it?? If somebody tells you from when you're a kid that you NEVER have to smoke, because it's bad, you'll get curious and sneek out to smoke. If people say that drugs is bad, all drugs, you'll use marihuama earlier then when they say it's ok to try. And if you know marihuana (soft drugs), you'll continue to coke and heroin (hard drugs).

Big deal that we legalised soft drugs. At least we learn what it does to you, and what hard drugs does to you. Big deal if people want pot, as long as they don't do it too often and don't step to hard drugs. I've seen that happening with a friend and really, it's not pretty.

Back to the sex part: just like in drugs, if somebody wants to hide everything about sex, don't you just feel the urge just to do it? To try out what it's like??


And then Bush comes with his rule that gay marriages aren't allowed... why? Why does he want you to think that being gay is a bad thing? I'm open in people being gay, it's the person who they are, not the persons who they fall in love with. If you say that gays are bad, it's something what's inside of them, it's not a disease. Just like saying that handicapted persons should be killed... It's the same thing... you can't do that!! Gays already have a problem coming out for that they do love somebody of their own gender, because they are "different". If even the president says it's bad to be gay, how can they ever live with theirselves?

THAT's the biggest problem I have with the US. That you guys (at least the politics) try to hide stuff from the people. That they make wrong and pure normal things illegal to know.

If you have to find out about sex in your puberty, you'll do it earlier. When you learn about it when you're still a child, you'll know everything about it and the value on it. It's no bad thing, so why all the censuring?



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that was one loooooooong post, I hope you want to read it, but it really explains my view on stuff in the US.
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Postby Jades » Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:16 am

Well, I'm not for censure at all, but I do want responsiblity with what goes on air.


Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" - that was prime time TV, I was watching Super Bowls with my dad and GRANDFATHER since I was knee high to a grasshopper. It has always been family TV. We wouldn't tolerate such a thing on Sesame Street. That's how football has always been to me, it was a family thing. Now, I don't know if I can watch it with the kids that I hope to have when I'm married.

The statue - John Ashcroft is a good man, and he felt it necessary to cover the statue. It could have been aired during prime time, and he felt that he would have been uncomfortable with the statue uncovered. It was his personal choice.

Now as for Gay Marriage. I've given many a speech about this, so I'll just give an abridged version. As a Democratic Republic, we believe in rule of the majority, right of the minority. The people of the United States have decided that we do not want gay marriage. Everytime a state voted on it, it was turned down. (Hawaii - 87%, California - 81%, Massachutes - 97%, I keep books behind my computer, I can easily look up these stats.)

Pres. Bush wants the Marriage Protection Amendment, making it so that it is the State that decides, not the Supreme Court. This was how America was based, and how it should be run. Shouldn't the people get to decide? Now, on the part where we are told that they just want the same rights; Right of Attourny gets them those rights. A Living Will gets them those rights. Some employers give benefits, which is why I love the Free Economy.

Now, I should mention that Marriage is not a right. It is a privilage. Can a blind man get a drivers license? No? wouldn't that be a violation of their rights? Any time a License is inovlved, it becomes a privilage and not a right. So... there is no violation of a right involved. Don't you love my twisted logic? Its actually how the laws are written.

Now, as I said, I don't want to censure things, but make it responsible. There's a book [U]Its Perfectly Normal[U] and in the book it tells us that there are no harmful effects of pre-marital sex. It tells us that sex is something to explore as early as you want. One of our supreme court justices wants to reduce the age of consent to 14. If we were told that there are consequences, and an alternative to having sex whenever you want, I'd be for that.

I was always taught that sex is something special. I had a teacher who said that I was wrong about that. TV tells me that waiting for sex is foolish. You'll never make it, so why try? Don't show sex and say it has no consequences, SHOW THE DAMNED CONSEQUENCES!
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Postby Aebliss » Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:01 am

Oddly, relatively few people have the stomach to watch the progression of such diseases as gonorrhoea, syphilis and AIDS, when left unchecked. Also, they dislike watching an underage mother struggling and failing at an attempt to gather enough cash to feed both herself and her ill-timed child; they tend to groan at parents kicking such young mothers out for shaming the family. That happens under Western as well as Shia Law, no use in pretending it doesn't.

People don't want to know about the consequences, just the pleasures. That's what sells, so unless you get a true quality program, you're not going to see the potential horrible consequences of sex left unchecked.
Which is foolish in the extreme.

Sex can be pleasant, true. But that is not its purpose. The purpose of sex is:
1) Procreation. It's apparently old-fashioned to see it that way, people in the media get up to all sorts of things without ever seeming to have this on their minds, but it's true: sex if the act of procreation, of bringing a new, precious life into the world. It's being glossed over in the media; sex is being depicted as nothing so much as an agency of physical pleasure, like booze or dope.
2) Intimacy. Even if you're not ready to make a baby, you can be with someone you care deeply for and explore and express your feelings in this, ideally one of the most intimate acts people can perform. Instead, as I said above, sex is depicted as a pleasure drug. And like other pleasure drugs, it is depicted as something that you can 'have' casually, without any need for emotional ties or thought of consequences.

People, ordinary, not-thinking-too-deeply-'cause-they're-busy-with-'real'-life people tend to want to have their fun and move on. Modern media is providing them with fantasies of such things - porn in all its forms, commercials, sitcoms, blah-die-blah-die-blah - which strengthens the idea that sex is disposable pleasure.

And when people do become vocal about this situation, do complain and try to find a way to put an end to it, who should come along but an eager, but not at all above board politician, promising to do good by them if they'll vote for him? Granted, he may do some things to keep up appearances and keep the voters firmly on his side (as firmly as he can, now), but in the meantime he's working on his own schemes.
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Postby Jades » Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:11 pm

But don't rid yourselves a guard when the war is about to commence.

You are right, nobody wants to watch the consequences. Thats why teachers should step up. You are also right about the purpose of sex, and I wish that it was treated as it should be.

A culture war is going on in America. I know my side, and I don't want us to go down the path that so many other nations have. Condoms should not be advertised so that they form a teddy bear. (Thank you, Germany) Nor should there be women being killed for getting pregnant. (Thank you Shia Law.)
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Postby Necro » Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:07 pm

Heh...you dun know me...and if you did I bet you'd..i dun think hate...but be very annoyed with me^^;
Please just dun take any offence by what I am to say....
I just express my thoughts...how dark and twisted they might now be...

I am a swedish anti american with a twisted view on USA.. O.o
*finds it wierd that I can accepet to myself that my view is twisted* O_o

And as it is in my nature I put the most importance to the bad stuff...
if I am to say in one short line what my view on USA is so would that be "A f*cking überchristian nazi community for weapon loving morons..."
But i KNOW that that is wrong...very wrong...
but lemme say what that has caused my hate for USA..(just USA as a land....and your government...and some other stuff...not the people....at least not the ones I know^^; )

most important...
once every 4th year you choose a president...and you call yourself a democracy..sure..the people get to vote....but they vote on ONE MAN...and there is usually only two persons to choose from...who is right wing..and not as much right wing but still right wing....
In Sweden we vote for the parties..and we have about...7 big parties....and many small...the left wings always wins :^_^: (Except that stupid year -92 when the right wing won....a dark 4 year period for us-_-(Seriously..it was bad times..echonomy went down, prices rose....well..only good thing was that the government got more money for themselves!-_-'))

Second...
You are such extremely show off's..-_-'
This accusement is based on theese things..
1. Your flag....13(right?^^; ) stripes for how many colonies you where from the beginning..and 50 stars for how many you are now....
it's all..:"Hey, look at us...we are made upon 50(!) states....how many are youuuu? Oh..only one! No wonder you are so small! =D"
2. "Blah blah blah, bladdhibla we are so great..all hail the police of the world...AMERICA!"
in speeches by "important" persons they always does all they can to make USA look so great and mighty and everyone else suck-_-'
3. All your extremely oversized buildings...why? why, but not to show off...-_-'
"We build, cause we can! *big smile and all that that makes it look like a commercial for USA*"

third..(Mark saw this on coming)
Religion...
According to your "great" leader, all you do is in the name of God and blah blah blah...
I am one of thoose "I believe it when I see it..."
So therefore I don't believe in any religion...
And I dun believe that supernatural divine spirits exists...especially not the Christian God...since that religion has been prooved wrong in some of it's major arguements for beig great...The evolution...and the thing with Earth being the middle of the Universe...
And this thing with anti gay marriage...WHAT IS WRONG WITH LOVE!?!?!-_-'
If one guy loves another guy...LET THEM GET MARRIED! :<_<:
I mean...why not?!
Cause it is not the way it is thought?
They are gay..homosexual....means, not gonna reproduce..not the natural way at least-_-
Sure...there are bisexuals, like me(Yes..I'm bi..realised it not so long ago...this may shock some of you P7ers that didn't know already :^_^: )
does that mean I would be allowed to get married to a guy in USA?
since it wouldn't be a gay marriage...it'd be a bi marriage :^_^:

and that leads me into the part with sex...
for me sex...sex is something two humans can have...either to have a baby, cause they love eachother and that..or just cause it feels good...
What is wrong with something that feels good?
it aint like drugs and destroys your brain and your body...
It just feels good...
I had sex for the first time when I was 15 and there wasn't anything with that that was bad...
Look back into before we where humans....we had sex...with alotta others...I dunno if we did it casue it felt good...but we did it alot at least....
And like Bart I am very openminded...especially about sex....
Sure...it shouldn't be done at a age too young...but it shouldn't be anything that is almost forbidden...USA needs to be more openminded and less conservative...
And about condoms...it is better that they know about condoms then that they do not...
I mean...a simple condome commercial won't learn them about what sex is...
so if they now do it with a condome...they already knew about it...and you must agree that it is better that they use a condom then that they do not...

last(I have more...but i'm tired :-_-: )
Weapons...
"...It is our Godgiven right to bear arms!"
Okeh...now THAT is just plain stupidity-_-'
"Thou shalt not kill" it says if I can remember...
and I am sure that that also was "God's words"...
godgiven right...bah...bullshit!
MORONgiven right-_-'
Ah hell..why not?
I mean....weapons where made to hunt animals with from the beginning...
but we humans ARE animals...so why not? =D
HELL, lets go out and kill us some neighbours right now! \=D
Meh....I'll give your land a right....It is from now on a Swedgiven right to throw away your fucking guns!!! :<_<:

Meh...to close up...USA...get better or you'll be hated forever-_-
plase dun hate me...I just am this way...wich is funny since my parents are more righties then lefties^^;
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Postby Jades » Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:36 pm

*coughing fit* sorry, I'm allergic to bullshit. *cough*

Not that yor bullshitting, but that you are drastically misinformed. (And what we have all feared, and this is what I was asking about MA This should reduce the time guess drastically)

1) we are a republic, not a democracy.
2) every 4 years we choose a President.
3) every 6 years, thirty some odd would-be senators run against the ones currently there.
4) every 2 years our House of Reps has elections.
5) we have many parties, but generally speaking two win. There is a Green Party, Conservative Party, Whigs are still around in some states, Dixi-crats, Communist still exists (despite all my efforts) Socialist, one man ran through the Facist Party. They just aren't very serious, and we dont take them seriously.
6) John Kerry was VERY liberal.
7)We are proud of our heritage, yes. Egotistical, maybe. (Duh.) Don't other nations hold on to their heritage? We update our flag for the purpose of showing unification among the states. If we didn't update the flag, then newer states would feel left out. (What are the 12 stars on the EU flag for, BTW?) You think Americans are bad, wait 'till you deal with a Texan. Oh wait, yeah, your screwed.
8) Actually, the Democrats like to make America look like the devil and Europe look like paradise. Michael Moore (also despite my best efforts) has become an 'important' person, and he asked Canadians "Why do you want to be more like America? Wanting to be like America is like pissing on your leg." Yeah, he makes America look so good.
9) You don't want us to claim to be the police of the world. DO SOME FRICKEN WORK! We fund the UN. We fund NATO. We ignore the criminals who are also members of the UN when they break laws in New York.
10) Evolution is still a theory. Scientifically, it is still a theory.
11) The book of Psalms describes the Weather Cycle, 1000 years before we discovered it.
12) The book of Leviticus requires washing of surgical equipment, written about 4000 years before we discovered germs. Pretty good clue that it wasn't just pulled out of someone's arse.
13) No nation has been destroyed, many times, only to re-emerge WITH THEIR ORIGINAL LANGUAGE other than Israel. Both New and Old Testament predict that the nation will exist when the End comes. Well, they're back, and such re-imurgence hasn't existed before.
14) Gay Marriage - Americans as a whole don't want it. Why should we be forced to have it.
15) Want reasons why homosexuality is looked down upon? How 'bout the fact that it leads to the contraction of STDs at a higher rate than Heterosexuality. 6/10 men who have major STDs in Texas, at least, admit to having had homosexual relationships.
15b) the way the movement has gone about things pisses people off. Lets sue until they give in and/or have no choice! NO! Bring a vote with the population, get your message out. Dont try to force us to do something we dont want to.
16) Marriage is defined as a union between one man and one woman. There is no such thing as a bi marriage. Just like polygamy doesn't exist.
17) Being really... open with having sex, you open yourself to AIDS, and countless other STDs. So, yes, it can destroy your body and kill you. A girl can get pregnant and destroy the life she wanted, or kill the life she didn't. (Yes, I believe life is at conception.)
18) Yes, it is better that they use a condom, but I don't want to explain to my 8 year old son (when I have one) what they are. Commercials after prime time, go ahead. But the german condom machine cover was grotesque, it made condoms look like a gummy bear, thats what it was. I don't speak german, but I was told that there was some irony to it...
19) "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Nope, no reference to God, there. We have the right to bear arms so that we can defend ourselves if the government decides to become too powerful. That is the true reason. I also hunt. Heh, I want to use my gun. (Actually, I bow hunt but I keep a side arm incase I don't manage to kill the boar with my first shot and it decides to sharpen its tusks on my leg.)
20) The actual commandment is "Thou Shall Not MURDER" not kill, murder. Sorry, but a little research shows this to be the case. Otherwise when God told David to go to war God was telling David to break the God Given Laws! HA!
21) There are several humans that I'd like to hunt actually... I wonder if Moore would go for it...
22) Technically, I can kill you with a spoon. Should we ban those as well? how bout buckets of water. More kids under the age of five die in a freakin bucket of water than adults and kids get killed by guns in a year. HOW BOUT BANNING BUCKETS OF FREAKING WATER! LETS DRAIN THE OCEANS BECAUSE WE CAN DROUND IN THAT TOO!
23) Ya know, Hitler actually took away the German's rights to bear arms before he began to gas the Jews. So... how could a gun lover be a Nazi? Technically, how can a true Christian be a Nazi?
24) (I missed some points, forgive them being out of order) If we wanted to brag about how big we are, we'd point out that TEXAS is larger than most nations. California is as well. Imagine that, "THIS is your country? Its smaller than my state RHODE ISLAND! (1.6 sq mi, some African nations are smaller I believe...)
25) We may have 50 states, but we are still ONE NATION (under God, Indivisable, with Liberty, and Justice for All.) Once again, we'd point out that we have states bigger than your nation. Or that our cities have more people than your nation has people, cattle, horses, any other animal be they flighted footed or finned.
26) If you want proof on Religion, I can give it to you. Just ask, prophesy has come true in the past many times. Once was referenced above. I've got more! (Including the founding of America. Sorry.)
27) Architecture always proves Judaism and Christianity correct. Science proves it correct as well (some references above). Sorry Aeb, but the Catholic Church is the group that was wrong more often than not back then.
28) You rely a lot on Evolution being true. You know that Darwin never said that humans evolved from apes or anything else like that. He severly doubted that we all came back from a common organism. Oops.
29) I don't hate anyone, except those that I do.
30) I feel sorry for you, if there is no God, then there is no reward for living a good, moral life. Must be so... empty. The thought of just leaving existance... its unbearable. When I lost my Grandfather, the only thing that kept me going was the steady hand of God lifting me from my knees. If I can't pray you through a conversion, then I hope that you're right. For your sake. If your not, then I'll try to pray you through the flames.
30) Have a nice day. ;)

(Wow, I thought that I did that pretty calmly... Generally I get thrown out of buildings when I do that. From now on, lets keep posts to one point at a time, that took 30 minutes to pump out.)

Amend that, an hour. I went back to add some things...
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Postby Bika-chan » Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:13 pm

Hmm, just to make this short, some of the points that Jades was making was, well, some were true, some were definally wrong, some obviously opinions, and then some was just bullshit bitching...

But then again, I have a bad headache right now so I'll leave it like that..... :-_-:
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Postby MysteriousAges » Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:32 pm

Thanks for everyone's input.

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